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CARTER
10-21-2008, 03:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MajorPayne</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>i dont personally think anyone should be taxed more than anyone else....if we HAVE to be taxed at all I think it should be a flat rate<p>i dont want to be penalized if i become filthy rich one day </TD></TR></TABLE><p>see i agree with this, tax everyone the fucking same so no one will complain.<p>if you hustle in life and become rich good for you, if your a broke ass person too bad for you.<p>why can't they just do this? make shit so difficult

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-21-2008, 03:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MajorPayne</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>i dont personally think anyone should be taxed more than anyone else....if we HAVE to be taxed at all I think it should be a flat rate<p>i dont want to be penalized if i become filthy rich one day </TD></TR></TABLE><p><FONT SIZE="10"> THANK YOU </FONT><p>Sweet God why cant people understand this?<p>Wealthy people have ZERO obligation to help someone else. It should be a choice, not tax law.

El Payne
10-21-2008, 03:36 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MajorPayne</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>i dont personally think anyone should be taxed more than anyone else....if we HAVE to be taxed at all I think it should be a flat rate<p>i dont want to be penalized if i become filthy rich one day </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know Adam Smith supported the idea that the rich should put in more of their share because of their ability, but I honestly don't believe he meant to shift 90% of the tax burden onto a minority of people. That's absurd.

PistolStarta
10-21-2008, 03:37 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>B!RDMAN jr.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">see i agree with this, tax everyone the fucking same so no one will complain.<p>if you hustle in life and become rich good for you, if your a broke ass person too bad for you.<p>why can't they just do this? make shit so difficult</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well expletive dude if you're for a flat tax than you're more republican than you know

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-21-2008, 03:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Well expletive dude if you're for a flat tax than you're more republican than you know</TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol basically.

CARTER
10-21-2008, 03:38 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Well expletive dude if you're for a flat tax than you're more republican than you know</TD></TR></TABLE><p>oh snap

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-21-2008, 03:39 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>B!RDMAN jr.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>oh snap </TD></TR></TABLE><p>here is your pin, welcome to the brotherhood <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.patriotic-pins.com/republican-elephant-pin.gif" BORDER="0">

El Payne
10-21-2008, 03:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Well expletive dude if you're for a flat tax than you're more *conservative* than you know</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Fixed, for the sake of partisan whining and complaining on here. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0">

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-21-2008, 03:41 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JSPayne86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Fixed, for the sake of partisan whining and complaining on here. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>&lt;3

CodeMan
10-21-2008, 03:42 PM
There's more to Republican/Democrat than taxes. On the subject though, we're outside the Laffer curve right now and need to get back in it. Taxes are going to have to be increased at some point to keep revenues at pace with inflation. It's inevitable.

Major
10-21-2008, 03:43 PM
and this is my opinion....<p>being "for" a tax plan that taxes the rich more than the middle class and lower class basically is conceding the fact that either you will never be wealthy....which if you think about it basically is admitting that you are lazy<p>so with this logic<p>democrats=lazy<p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"><p>it works, check the math

CARTER
10-21-2008, 03:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mr. Simon, Esq.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>here is your pin, welcome to the brotherhood <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br> <IMG SRC="http://www.patriotic-pins.com/republican-elephant-pin.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>lol i wouldn't say this im thinkin more of this <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JSPayne86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Fixed, for the sake of partisan whining and complaining on here. </TD></TR></TABLE><p><br>ok war Mccain wants to keep the war going right? i dont agree with this.<p>enlighten me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>

PistolStarta
10-21-2008, 03:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CodeMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's more to Republican/Democrat than taxes. On the subject though, we're outside the Laffer curve right now and need to get back in it. Taxes are going to have to be increased at some point to keep revenues at pace with inflation. It's inevitable. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Negative, spending needs cut, over-out.

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-21-2008, 03:43 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CodeMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's more to Republican/Democrat than taxes. On the subject though, we're outside the Laffer curve right now and need to get back in it. Taxes are going to have to be increased at some point to keep revenues at pace with inflation. It's inevitable. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I found your pin too <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmile.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br> <IMG SRC="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/35/97169451_283281823a.jpg?v=1187977559" BORDER="0"> <p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0">

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-21-2008, 03:44 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MajorPayne</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and this is my opinion....<p>being "for" a tax plan that taxes the rich more than the middle class and lower class basically is conceding the fact that either you will never be wealthy....which if you think about it basically is admitting that you are lazy<p>so with this logic<p>democrats=lazy<p><IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"><p>it works, check the math</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I ran the numbers and this is in fact accurate <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

PistolStarta
10-21-2008, 03:45 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>B!RDMAN jr.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>ok war Mccain wants to keep the war going right? i dont agree with this.<p>enlighten me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You have to remember alot of democrats in congress voted for invading Iraq also (majority of them). Its Bush who was wrong on WMD and not McCain, McCain never got to read an intel. BUT, he did vote for the troop surge which worked and lowered violence, so he has done good there. <p>He knows the war is wrong BUT, he supports sticking it out without giving timetables to the Iraqis so our enemies know when we're leaving them on their own

Jomo
10-21-2008, 03:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JSPayne86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No, I just don't fall for the "sh*t runs uphill" finger pointing that the media so loves to use.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Well obviously I do not either, but people tell me it is hard read between my lines sometimes. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0">

CodeMan
10-21-2008, 03:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Negative, spending needs cut, over-out.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Cut spending, cut taxes, and what happens to the deficit again?

PistolStarta
10-21-2008, 03:53 PM
I didnt say we need to cut taxes more, leave the bush cuts in place and cut spending. Less spending decreases deficit?

CodeMan
10-21-2008, 03:57 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didnt say we need to cut taxes more </TD></TR></TABLE><p>You're right, that was my bad. Still though, it would take a MASSIVE spending cut in order to turn us positive at this point.

PistolStarta
10-21-2008, 03:59 PM
Not really we can save billions with minor cuts in all social programs, and smarter budgeting. Srsly, like I said earlier on our bailout some politician added a 10million dollar (whatever you call those bill add ons) for wool research. WTF?

CARTER
10-21-2008, 04:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not really we can save billions with minor cuts in all social programs, and smarter budgeting. Srsly, like I said earlier on our bailout some politician added a 10million dollar (whatever you call those bill add ons) for wool research. WTF?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>when you say social programs you mean programs that help kids?

El Payne
10-21-2008, 04:00 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CodeMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Taxes are going to have to be increased at some point to keep revenues at pace with inflation. It's inevitable. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Decrease spending is the way to go.<br>The government shouldn't be able to write checks for the American people, namely to others who pay none of the taxes to begin with, and then stick out their hand to the rest of us.

Obu
10-21-2008, 04:03 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CodeMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's more to Republican/Democrat than taxes. On the subject though, we're outside the Laffer curve right now and need to get back in it. Taxes are going to have to be increased at some point to keep revenues at pace with inflation. It's inevitable. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>This is absolute reality, it's going to happen doesn't matter what party gets elected. We're spending SO much money it's ridiculous, the thought of tax cuts right are just not realistic. And do you really think the either party is going to cut 50% or more of social programs? I really doubt it.<p>

PistolStarta
10-21-2008, 04:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>B!RDMAN jr.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when you say social programs you mean programs that help kids? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>What no I mean horrible ideas that should have never existed like social security that we're drowning in

PistolStarta
10-21-2008, 04:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Obu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is absolute reality, it's going to happen doesn't matter what party gets elected. We're spending SO much money it's ridiculous, the thought of tax cuts right are just not realistic. And do you really think the either party is going to cut 50% or more of social programs? I really doubt it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You KNOW there is much for frivilous spending than just in social programs that can be cut, and did you just pull a 50% figure out of the air?

CodeMan
10-21-2008, 04:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not really we can save billions with minor cuts in all social programs, and smarter budgeting. Srsly, like I said earlier on our bailout some politician added a 10million dollar (whatever you call those bill add ons) for wool research. WTF?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's sad that the bailout had to be loaded with pork to pass. It was a necessary evil though unfortunately. State of American politics.<p>

El Payne
10-21-2008, 04:12 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>B!RDMAN jr.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>ok war Mccain wants to keep the war going right? i dont agree with this.<p>enlighten me <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p></TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, not keep it going. Finish it correctly the first time so your kids, my kids, the next generations don't have to go back and do what we should have done right the first time.<p>Kthnxbye.<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0">

Obu
10-21-2008, 04:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You KNOW there is much for frivilous spending than just in social programs that can be cut, and did you just pull a 50% figure out of the air?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Oh I totally pulled it out of the air, the figure there is not important, what is important is that there is way to much frivolous spending and I do understand that it can be cut also. Here's the thing though, we've just spent a staggering amount of money on saving our financial system from doom. So, even if we enter a period of a spending freeze (rubbish to begin with but whatever, I'll entertain the thought) we're still going to have to make up for the amounts we've spent.<p>Higher taxes are coming, one way or another.<p>

CodeMan
10-21-2008, 04:16 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JSPayne86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Decrease spending is the way to go.<br>The government shouldn't be able to write checks for the American people, namely to others who pay none of the taxes to begin with, and then stick out their hand to the rest of us.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>The rest of us? Geez man, how much money you pullin' in these days? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Look, I don't like tax increases anymore than you or anyone else does. You think I want to say we need to increase taxes? I don't. It's becoming apparent that it has to happen though.

El Payne
10-21-2008, 04:17 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>B!RDMAN jr.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>when you say social programs you mean programs that help kids? </TD></TR></TABLE><p>No, like programs that are facades for wealth redistribution, twisted illegal drug addict "support", and a long, long list of others.

El Payne
10-21-2008, 04:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CodeMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>The rest of us? Geez man, how much money you pullin' in these days? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>Look, I don't like tax increases anymore than you or anyone else does. You think I want to say we need to increase taxes? I don't. It's becoming apparent that it has to happen though. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Us, which includes myself when coming from me, first person. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0">

CodeMan
10-21-2008, 04:19 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>What no I mean horrible ideas that should have never existed like social security that we're drowning in</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Word! We should have privatized it a few years ago when that was on the table. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0">

CodeMan
10-21-2008, 04:20 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JSPayne86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Us, which includes myself when coming from me, first person. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I know that man, give me some credit here, LOL. I'm saying you more than likely stand to get a cut with either candidate.

El Payne
10-21-2008, 04:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CodeMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I know that man, give me some credit here, LOL. I'm saying you more than likely stand to get a cut with either candidate.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You should know that being a real conservative isn't 100% about me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"><br>It's what is fair from everyone, across the bored.<br>I may see know effect, but I don't like the idea of people who have busted their butt to get where they are WILL see such effects...and those who haven't done anything at all WILL benefit even more from it.

CodeMan
10-21-2008, 04:50 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JSPayne86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You should know that being a real conservative isn't 100% about me. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"><br>It's what is fair from everyone, across the bored.<br>I may see know effect, but I don't like the idea of people who have busted their butt to get where they are WILL see such effects...and those who haven't done anything at all WILL benefit even more from it.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nobody's denying the fact that Obama wants to tax the wealthy more, that's for sure. And he's not shy about his plans for the increase in revenue either. I certainly understand where you're coming from in your feelings there. One factor we're not taking into consideration though is the grand market scheme and how it affects that highest tax bracket that will catch the brunt of Obama's tax plan. Do you really think they care about taking home 8% less than last year when the market is plunging deeper and deeper every day? Or would they rather take that hit and see confidence brought back into the economic spectrum?

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-21-2008, 05:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CodeMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Nobody's denying the fact that Obama wants to tax the wealthy more, that's for sure. And he's not shy about his plans for the increase in revenue either. I certainly understand where you're coming from in your feelings there. One factor we're not taking into consideration though is the grand market scheme and how it affects that highest tax bracket that will catch the brunt of Obama's tax plan. Do you really think they care about taking home 8% less than last year when the market is plunging deeper and deeper every day? Or would they rather take that hit and see confidence brought back into the economic spectrum?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Honestly, I would say 50/50. There are some filthy rich people who could give a damn about the larger American public, that is to say, they dont want to see their taxes increase a single percent. Others, dont mind taking the hit.

PistolStarta
10-21-2008, 05:08 PM
Its not about the top% I care about, but i dont want my parents and grandparents to pay more taxes because the youth and working class want to save a few hundred on their income tax, it isnt right. They owe nothing to kids my age that havent established themselves, or people who chose the career that gives them a 50k income for their home

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-21-2008, 05:11 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its not about the top% I care about, but i dont want my parents and grandparents to pay more taxes because the youth and working class want to save a few hundred on their income tax, it isnt right. They owe nothing to kids my age that havent established themselves, or people who chose the career that gives them a 50k income for their home</TD></TR></TABLE><p><br> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/143.gif" BORDER="0">

PistolStarta
10-21-2008, 05:13 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mr. Simon, Esq.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/143.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>thank you, and thats exactly where Obamas voter base is

Jomo
10-21-2008, 05:15 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>thank you, and thats exactly where Obamas voter base is</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yep. All 51% of them too. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0">

Obu
10-21-2008, 11:21 PM
You guys do realize that a couple years ago McCain had no problem with accepting higher taxes for the rich, right?

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-22-2008, 06:28 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Obu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You guys do realize that a couple years ago McCain had no problem with accepting higher taxes for the rich, right?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You get the hell out of here with your conspiracy theories <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/1018.gif" BORDER="0">

malix
10-22-2008, 06:59 AM
"I think he is a transformational figure... And for that reason, I'll be voting for Sen. Barack Obama." - Colin Powell<p>"You want a transformational figure, Powell? Endorse John McCain. This campaign has transformed him into everything he hated." - Stephen Colbert<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/fing21.gif" BORDER="0">

PistolStarta
10-22-2008, 07:36 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>malix</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"I think he is a transformational figure... And for that reason, I'll be voting for Sen. Barack Obama." - Colin Powell<p>"You want a transformational figure, Powell? Endorse John McCain. This campaign has transformed him into everything he hated." - Stephen Colbert<p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/fing21.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>If Obama had a history Im sure it would have changed as well...

Obu
10-22-2008, 12:09 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>If Obama had a history Im sure it would have changed as well...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>What if huh? Fantasylannnnnndddd <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0">

CodeMan
10-22-2008, 12:41 PM
That was the basis of the anti-Kerry campaign. He was a flip-flopper. For the record, I didn't vote for Kerry. He was a terrible candidate. Still though, his changing opinion got everybody all up in arms. He was "for the war before he was against it", remember?

El Payne
10-22-2008, 02:43 PM
BHO said on the Lesbian Degeneres Show that he could dance better than McCain. Oh noes! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/scared0010.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>(bet he can't do the robot better than McCain, no way... <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emdgust.gif" BORDER="0"> )

malix
10-22-2008, 02:52 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JSPayne86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">BHO said on the Lesbian Degeneres Show that he could dance better than McCain. Oh noes! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/scared0010.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Its true, ive seen it.<p><IMG SRC="http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e35/malix12/Obama_PalinDancingWiththeStars.jpg" BORDER="0"><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0">

El Payne
10-22-2008, 03:11 PM
Haha that actually looks semi-real. Decent photochop.

El Payne
10-22-2008, 03:14 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>The Hussein Candidate</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">McCain isn't running for Joe the Plumber. He's running for Joe the Hedge Fund Broker.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Yet BHO has received a MUCH larger amount in contributions from hedge fund brokers than McCain, by far. He isn't very smart. When his mouth opens I cringe.

El Payne
10-22-2008, 03:33 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><br>Shame on McCain and Palin for using an old code word for black<p>By Lewis Diuguid, Kansas City Star Editorial Page columnist<p>The "socialist" label that Sen. John McCain and his GOP presidential running mate Sarah Palin are trying to attach to Sen. Barack Obama actually has long and very ugly historical roots.<p>J. Edgar Hoover, director of the FBI from 1924 to 1972, used the term liberally to describe African Americans who spent their lives fighting for equality.<p>Those freedom fighters included the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., who led the Civil Rights Movement; W.E.B. Du Bois, who in 1909 helped found the NAACP which is still the nation's oldest and largest civil rights organization; Paul Robeson, a famous singer, actor and political activist who in the 1930s became involved in national and international movements for better labor relations, peace and racial justice; and A. Philip Randolph, who founded and was the longtime head of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters and a leading advocate for civil rights for African Americans.<p>McCain and Palin have simply reached back in history to use an old code word for black. It set whites apart from those deemed unAmerican and those who could not be trusted during the communism scare.<p>Shame on McCain and Palin.<br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Hahaha. What a joke.<p>Jeff, your opinion? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/143.gif" BORDER="0">

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-22-2008, 03:48 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JSPayne86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Hahaha. What a joke.<p>Jeff, your opinion? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/143.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>My opinion = <IMG SRC="http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj261/filipeestacio/facepalm.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>He can spare me his bullshit and his conspiracy theories. He's REALLY reaching on this one.

El Payne
10-22-2008, 03:51 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mr. Simon, Esq.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>My opinion = <IMG SRC="http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj261/filipeestacio/facepalm.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>He can spare me his bullshit and his conspiracy theories. He's REALLY reaching on this one. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I've related socialism and communism to a lot of things, but never used it as a "code word" for black people. In fact, never even heard it referred to in that sort of fashion before. <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/995.gif" BORDER="0">

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-22-2008, 03:51 PM
It's brand new to me as well

CodeMan
10-22-2008, 04:02 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Mr. Simon, Esq.</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> He's REALLY reaching on this one. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's definitely a stretch. Like anybody remembers what vain Hoover used the term "socialism" in.

malix
10-22-2008, 04:04 PM
Its an editorial from the Kansas City Star.... not exactly a beacon of hard-hitting journalism. Has anyone from the Obama campaign actually said anything like that?

El Payne
10-22-2008, 04:07 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>malix</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Its an editorial from the Kansas City Star.... not exactly a beacon of hard-hitting journalism. Has anyone from the Obama campaign actually said anything like that?</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Not that I'm aware of. Haven't spoken out against it either.

Jomo
10-22-2008, 04:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CodeMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like anybody remembers what vain Hoover used the term "socialism" in.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I wish I did.

CodeMan
10-22-2008, 04:23 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Jomo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>I wish I did.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>You'd rather die than live in Prohibition-era America drinking bathtub gin.

Jomo
10-22-2008, 04:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>CodeMan</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>You'd rather die than live in Prohibition-era America drinking bathtub gin.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nah. I'd work for him and drink moonshine and my own homebrewed beer and no one would be the wiser. I would have complete Laze fair.

solbrothers
10-22-2008, 05:55 PM
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Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-22-2008, 05:58 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>solbrothers</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> <IMG SRC="http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/confused.jpg" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>IMPOSSIBLE <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/scared0010.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/scared0010.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/scared0010.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/scared0010.gif" BORDER="0"> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/scared0010.gif" BORDER="0">

Jomo
10-22-2008, 05:58 PM
Nice chop.

malix
10-22-2008, 06:14 PM
That must be one of those liberal elites i keep hearing so much about.

solbrothers
10-22-2008, 07:18 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Jomo</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice chop.</TD></TR></TABLE>i dont thinkit is.

Obu
10-22-2008, 09:08 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>malix</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That must be one of those liberal elites i keep hearing so much about.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Nice to see them make time to take a picture for us common folk <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emthup.gif" BORDER="0">

malix
10-23-2008, 04:28 AM
<B>On Al-Qaeda Web Sites, Joy Over U.S. Crisis, Support for McCain</B> <p>Al-Qaeda is watching the U.S. stock market's downward slide with something akin to jubilation, with its leaders hailing the financial crisis as a vindication of its strategy of crippling America's economy through endless, costly foreign wars against Islamist insurgents.<p>And at least some of its supporters think Sen. John McCain is the presidential candidate best suited to continue that trend.<p>"Al-Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election," said a commentary posted Monday on the extremist Web site al-Hesbah, which is closely linked to the terrorist group. It said the Arizona Republican would continue the "failing march of his predecessor," President Bush. <p>The Web commentary was one of several posted by Taliban or al-Qaeda-allied groups in recent days that trumpeted the global financial crisis and predicted further decline for the United States and other Western powers. In language that was by turns mocking and ominous, the newest posting credited al-Qaeda with having lured Washington into a trap that had "exhausted its resources and bankrupted its economy." It further suggested that a terrorist strike might swing the election to McCain and guarantee an expansion of U.S. military commitments in the Islamic world. <p><A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102477.html?hpid%3Dtopnews%E2%8A%82=new" TARGET="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/...2=new</A><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/scared0010.gif" BORDER="0">

CodeMan
10-23-2008, 08:10 AM
Well aside from the fact that they apparently have a limited understanding of our economy it's an interesting "endorsement".

El Payne
10-23-2008, 08:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>malix</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><B>On Al-Qaeda Web Sites, Joy Over U.S. Crisis, Support for McCain</B> <p>Al-Qaeda is watching the U.S. stock market's downward slide with something akin to jubilation, with its leaders hailing the financial crisis as a vindication of its strategy of crippling America's economy through endless, costly foreign wars against Islamist insurgents.<p>And at least some of its supporters think Sen. John McCain is the presidential candidate best suited to continue that trend.<p>"Al-Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming election," said a commentary posted Monday on the extremist Web site al-Hesbah, which is closely linked to the terrorist group. It said the Arizona Republican would continue the "failing march of his predecessor," President Bush. <p>The Web commentary was one of several posted by Taliban or al-Qaeda-allied groups in recent days that trumpeted the global financial crisis and predicted further decline for the United States and other Western powers. In language that was by turns mocking and ominous, the newest posting credited al-Qaeda with having lured Washington into a trap that had "exhausted its resources and bankrupted its economy." It further suggested that a terrorist strike might swing the election to McCain and guarantee an expansion of U.S. military commitments in the Islamic world. <p><A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102477.html?hpid%3Dtopnews%E2%8A%82=new" TARGET="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/...2=new</A><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/scared0010.gif" BORDER="0"> </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Haha. That's laughable. Ever heard of reverse psychology? <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emsmilep.gif" BORDER="0"> <p>I can think of possible reasons why they might have reason for advancement if either BHO or McCain win. But I can't imagine them being upset with "you know who" getting in by much of any means.

ANTonio
10-23-2008, 08:31 AM
I'm so incredibly sick and tired of the bullshit going on with both sides the media, and campaigns...I'm tired of being treated like a mindless pawn, and being subjected to endless half truths, irrelevant side notes, and propaganda. I fucking hate both candidates now, and any hope for the future I once had is fading now, reverting to helplessness.

PistolStarta
10-23-2008, 09:18 AM
how would they think McCain would be a problem when Obama jumped on the bailout wagon just as quick. These candidates truly arent THAT different from one another, and the war didnt bankrupt us, in fact economies can flourish during a war, we just buy all our military equipment parts from foreign countries now

malix
10-23-2008, 09:45 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>ANTonio</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I fucking hate both candidates now</TD></TR></TABLE><p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">These candidates truly arent THAT different from one another</TD></TR></TABLE><p> <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/143.gif" BORDER="0">

El Payne
10-23-2008, 09:53 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>PistolStarta</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> These candidates truly arent THAT different from one another</TD></TR></TABLE><p>To an extent, sure. Considering that, why not vote for the guy that will release his birth certificate and harmless public records, isn't linked to radicals like Ayers and ACORN, among tons of other sketchy activity?<p>Should be pretty open-shut vote to me...

El Payne
10-23-2008, 09:58 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>NewsBusters</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Want to talk media bias?<p>A new study from the Project for Excellence in Journalism found that since the Republican National Convention, there have been three times more negative press reports about John McCain than positive ones.<p>By contrast, during the same period, media coverage of Obama has been more positive than negative.<p>Think this might be impacting voter perceptions?<p>Here are the study's [1] key findings (emphasis added): <p> [C]overage of McCain has been heavily unfavorable—and has become more so over time. In the six weeks following the conventions through the final debate, unfavorable stories about McCain outweighed favorable ones by a factor of more than three to one—the most unfavorable of all four candidates—according to the study by the Pew Research Center’s Project for Excellence in Journalism.<p> For Obama during this period, just over a third of the stories were clearly positive in tone (36%), while a similar number (35%) were neutral or mixed. A smaller number (29%) were negative.<p> For McCain, by comparison, nearly six in ten of the stories studied were decidedly negative in nature (57%), while fewer than two in ten (14%) were positive. <p>Fascinating. Yet, what's most interesting about this study is it appears media indeed responded to complaints that Obama was getting all their attention.<p>Their solution?<p>Add negative reports about McCain:<p> McCain did succeed in erasing one advantage Obama enjoyed earlier in the campaign—the level of media exposure each candidate received. Since the end of August, the two rivals have been in a virtual dead heat in the amount of attention paid, and when vice presidential candidates are added to the mix the Republican ticket has the edge. This is a striking contrast to the pre-convention period, when Obama enjoyed nearly 50% more coverage. <p>Well, at least they evened out the amount of coverage, right?<p>*****Update: Previous headline and text changed a bit. In my flu-weakened condition, I transposed "times more" for "times as many." <p>If there were 57 percent negative reports compared to 14 percent positive, this either means four times as many or three times more. Sorry for the confusion. <p><IMG SRC="http://journalism.org/files/u29/4_5_McCain_pie_chart.png" BORDER="0"><br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>Why no, the media can't be liberal-laden now can it? That's just an absurd conservative tactic!<p>Riiiight...

PistolStarta
10-23-2008, 10:09 AM
lol but I mean for news is 24/hr McCain tv, this cant be accurate!!!!!!!!

CodeMan
10-23-2008, 10:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and when vice presidential candidates are added to the mix the Republican ticket has the edge.</TD></TR></TABLE><p>LOL, I'd hardly call that an edge.

Obu
10-23-2008, 09:49 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JSPayne86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Why no, the media can't be liberal-laden now can it? That's just an absurd conservative tactic!<p>Riiiight...</TD></TR></TABLE><p>No no no, your looking at it completely wrong. He's just an idiot, it's hard not to report someone who has their foot in their mouth half the time. The media in this case, for once, is just doing their job.

Major
10-23-2008, 09:53 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Obu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No no no, your looking at it completely wrong. He's just an idiot, it's hard not to report someone who has their foot in their mouth half the time. The media in this case, for once, is just doing their job. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>maybe they are....but its hard to believe anything thats reported on these days, or at least take it in the context it was meant to be taken in

malix
10-24-2008, 04:10 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>JSPayne86</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A new study from the Project for Excellence in Journalism</TD></TR></TABLE><p>Ah yes, the Project for Excellence in Journalism... which is a project of the Pew Research Center. And as i recall, the last time i cited a study from Pew both you and Pistol were skeptical about the source. <p>Its funny how opinions can change when they are saying the things that you want to hear.

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-24-2008, 06:41 AM
Fuckin Joe McCain <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.zeroforum.com/set1/smile/emthdown.gif" BORDER="0"> <p><br>Traffic on 95 sucks everyday, WTF is he doing? <p><br> <IMG SRC="http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj261/filipeestacio/facepalm.gif" BORDER="0">

malix
10-24-2008, 07:06 AM
lol ^

malix
10-24-2008, 07:08 AM
Oh, and regarding Obama's "socialist" tax policies, here is a great quote from McCain back in 2000 -<p><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Audience member: Why is it that someone like my father who goes to school for 13 years gets penalized in a huge tax bracket because he's a doctor?<p>John McCain: I think it's to some degree because we feel obviously that wealthy people can afford more.<p>Audience member: Are we getting closer and closer to, like, socialism 'n stuff?<p>McCain: Here's what I really believe: That when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>Marxist! <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p108/volk_37/ninja.png" BORDER="0"> <br>

Carlton Banks, Esq.
10-24-2008, 07:21 AM
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Obu
10-24-2008, 08:17 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>malix</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh, and regarding Obama's "socialist" tax policies, here is a great quote from McCain back in 2000 -<p>Marxist! <br></TD></TR></TABLE><p>That is exactly what I was referring to a couple pages back! Seriously, the guy couldn't hold a tennis match without switching sides. The culture is disgusting.

Major
10-24-2008, 10:18 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Obu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>That is exactly what I was referring to a couple pages back! Seriously, the guy couldn't hold a tennis match without switching sides. The culture is disgusting. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>every single person in this thread would be FUCKING RETARDED if they werent aware of the fact that ALL politicians have changed their minds, switched views, etc over their careers on at least one issue.....if it seems like McCain has done it more than Obama, its only because he's been a politician longer....but Obama has done it too<p>dont be naive....politics is an ugly game, and unfortunately politicians are the ones that run it....

Obu
10-24-2008, 10:21 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MajorPayne</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>every single person in this thread would be FUCKING RETARDED if they werent aware of the fact that ALL politicians have changed their minds, switched views, etc over their careers on at least one issue.....if it seems like McCain has done it more than Obama, its only because he's been a politician longer....but Obama has done it too<p>dont be naive....politics is an ugly game, and unfortunately politicians are the ones that run it....</TD></TR></TABLE><p>I'm not saying that every politician is going to stick to their views. I'm just saying that McCain sucks at being a politician and a leader - this campaign is a perfect example of it. I know neither of these candidates will actually live up to half of the promises they're making now but one clearly sucks at playing the game and showing higher levels of intellectual thinking.

malix
10-24-2008, 10:27 AM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>MajorPayne</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if it seems like McCain has done it more than Obama, its only because he's been a politician longer</TD></TR></TABLE><p>It seems to me that most of McCain's reversals have come within the past 2-3 years.

El Payne
10-24-2008, 02:26 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>malix</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>Ah yes, the Project for Excellence in Journalism... which is a project of the Pew Research Center. And as i recall, the last time i cited a study from Pew both you and Pistol were skeptical about the source. <p>Its funny how opinions can change when they are saying the things that you want to hear. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>It's not too smart to jump to conclusions. I simply posted the article. <br>Now the time I say "You should take this as the Gospel", well, then you can give me crap for it.

El Payne
10-24-2008, 02:28 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>Obu</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>No no no, your looking at it completely wrong. He's just an idiot, it's hard not to report someone who has their foot in their mouth half the time. The media in this case, for once, is just doing their job. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>McCain isn't the first one this has happened to, so put it into a little perspective. <br>And that is a little biased of a comment, so I think you are looking at it completely wrong.<p>Isn't the goal unbiased journalism? <br>Obama has much more sketchy and negative issues to report than McCain does, so why don't we hear more about those?<p>Ahhh....enlightenment!

El Payne
10-24-2008, 02:31 PM
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD><i>Quote, originally posted by <b>malix</b> &raquo;</i></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"><p>It seems to me that most of McCain's reversals have come within the past 2-3 years. </TD></TR></TABLE><p>I believe I'll take reversals in 2-3 years of a 20+ year career verses a career like Obama's that has included flip flops the ENTIRE time. When he actually took a stance and didn't vote "present" that is....